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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Toro Rosso are not using the new engine.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121429

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:31 pm 
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Renault's upgraded F1 engine to wait until Brazilian Grand Prix

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121465

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http://www.f1i.com/infos/le-nouveau-v6- ... -dixiemes/

"At present, the gain is two tenths and motor prefigures that of 2016. But all this is before optimization. There is much more to extract than these two tenths in the eleven tokens." "Our twelfth and last token could be used if needed. All this is a sign from Renault for next year to show that we continue to work."

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Is this Red Bull demonstrating that just because Renault bring a new engine they do not have to use it? and you cant make me, so there. (stamp)


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Horner said something about Renault wanting to run more reliability tests on it before Brazil but it is hard to know who is telling the truth now in that dysfunctional relationship.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121467

Taffin also conceded there is still work to be done on the update and thus not introducing it until Brazil will reduce the risk. "It's all about mapping and software. When asked if Renault planned to use its 12th token, Taffin said: "No. So far there is no plan to take it. "If we can make it worth it, we will, as we did this time, but I've got nothing in mind at the moment." While the late-2015 upgrade is believed to be worth 0.2s, Taffin said the aim for the step from this season to next was "more like 0.5s or a second. "We know a second is the sort of gap we need to fill in. That's the target we have got."

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Asked if he was disappointed just to make a 0.2s gain with the upgrade, Taffin said: "Yes, but we only had two or three months to decide on what could be the last specification of the year and then you have to produce parts and so on. It's more the fact that what we get out of the engine at the minute is the image of what we had earlier. If we could take the engine we had on the dyno now and put it on the car now, then it could be half a second, but it's not ready."

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Taffin also conceded there is still work to be done on the update and thus not introducing it until Brazil will reduce the risk. "It's all about mapping and software. When asked if Renault planned to use its 12th token, Taffin said: "No. So far there is no plan to take it. "If we can make it worth it, we will, as we did this time, but I've got nothing in mind at the moment." While the late-2015 upgrade is believed to be worth 0.2s, Taffin said the aim for the step from this season to next was "more like 0.5s or a second. "We know a second is the sort of gap we need to fill in. That's the target we have got."


This is borderline infuriating. 11 tokens only being worth .2s is bad enough already, and then not even being able to think of something to actually use up the 12 tokens this year - really? The PU is ridiculous when compared to Ferrari and Mercedes and they can't even think of things to use up 12 tokens?

And people are blaming RBR :lol:

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Renault may send out an SOS to Mario Illien ...

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/

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I am wondering what happens to the ERS system next year. There was talk of Renault and Red Bull squabbling over ownership rights to parts of it, and if Renault will still be able to use it if it is Red Bull IP. Much of what made Red Bull respectable was energy from the recovery system, so if Renault dont get it, will they be bad?


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Renault may send out an SOS to Mario Illien ...

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/



According to this http://www.grandprix247.com/2015/11/20/ilmor-applies-to-be-supplier-for-2017-client-f1-engines/

Super Mario has put in his own bid to supply, so would he be able or willing to join Renault works?


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Finally official

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35002555


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The question is now with which engines will they run, Renault or Mercedes?

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Amon wrote:
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The question is now with which engines will they run, Renault or Mercedes?


Um, I can't see a factory Renault team running someone else's engine when they make one themselves.


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Finally it's official. It's been long time since first credible rumors emerged.

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So - for 2016 and 2017 Pastor (or maybe Jolyon) should be WDC!

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The question is now with which engines will they run, Renault or Mercedes?

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Wonder if Grosjean is having second thoughts about leaving for Haas?

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Lotus chasis with Renault engine = back of the grid.
Probable Honda will be better than renault engine next year given renualt did little to no development this year.
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Wonder if Grosjean is having second thoughts about leaving for Haas?


Didn't he admit in interviews, right after he signed for Haas, that if he'd had the certainty of Renault taking over Lotus, he would have stayed? I'm pretty sure he did.

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Lotus chasis with Renault engine = back of the grid.


Renault haven't progressed much with the PU, Lotus have been strapped for cash so one could imagine 2016 development hasn't been too great up until now. Even with the Merc PU you would expect them to go backwards, let alone with the Renault PU.

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The question is now with which engines will they run, Renault or Mercedes?


Um, I can't see a factory Renault team running someone else's engine when they make one themselves.


Yes that is what I was thinking too just wondering if it would be that easy to change a chassis that was built for a Mercedes engine. And Enstone does no longer have a contract with Mercedes for engines? Maybe they go for a complete new design and hopefully no longer the black livery but the original yellow-white-black.

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Yellow and black colour scheme would look great mixed in with the mostly get and black feild we have now, it could get a little confusing depending on what Haas decides to do though. Especially as I expect them to be at around the same pace. Renault with a chassis which has been severely underdeveloped over the last 6 months and an inferior engine against a Ferrari powered heavily SF15T inspired car running Ferrari suspension. Should be a tight battle of Renault can't pull something out of the bag and surprise us

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Lotus chasis with Renault engine = back of the grid.


Renault haven't progressed much with the PU, Lotus have been strapped for cash so one could imagine 2016 development hasn't been too great up until now. Even with the Merc PU you would expect them to go backwards, let alone with the Renault PU.

I believe they will target 2017, but I wouldn't be surpised if they were better than last season, simply because they will have bigger budget.

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Wonder if Grosjean is having second thoughts about leaving for Haas?


Didn't he admit in interviews, right after he signed for Haas, that if he'd had the certainty of Renault taking over Lotus, he would have stayed? I'm pretty sure he did.

Ah, must've missed that.

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Wonder if Grosjean is having second thoughts about leaving for Haas?


Didn't he admit in interviews, right after he signed for Haas, that if he'd had the certainty of Renault taking over Lotus, he would have stayed? I'm pretty sure he did.

Ah, must've missed that.


Here it is: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/34420287

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"I was the first one who wanted to be part of the Renault project," the Frenchman told BBC World Service Sport.

"If they had come earlier I would have stayed, but I met with Haas, they made an approach and it was attractive."

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Yellow and black colour scheme would look great mixed in with the mostly get and black feild we have now, it could get a little confusing depending on what Haas decides to do though. Especially as I expect them to be at around the same pace. Renault with a chassis which has been severely underdeveloped over the last 6 months and an inferior engine against a Ferrari powered heavily SF15T inspired car running Ferrari suspension. Should be a tight battle of Renault can't pull something out of the bag and surprise us

From what I took away from what Haas said a couple of weeks ago I got the impression that their chassis was going to be quite different from the Ferrari so I don't think their car is going to be heavily influenced by the F1ST.

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mds wrote:
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Wonder if Grosjean is having second thoughts about leaving for Haas?


Didn't he admit in interviews, right after he signed for Haas, that if he'd had the certainty of Renault taking over Lotus, he would have stayed? I'm pretty sure he did.

Ah, must've missed that.


Here it is: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/34420287

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"I was the first one who wanted to be part of the Renault project," the Frenchman told BBC World Service Sport.

"If they had come earlier I would have stayed, but I met with Haas, they made an approach and it was attractive."

Cheers, feel kind of bad for Grosjean especially if Renault prove to be relatively competitive. OTOH perhaps it was a good move.

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Amon wrote:
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The question is now with which engines will they run, Renault or Mercedes?
Renault. That's why Mercedes is supplying Manor next year.


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Covalent wrote:
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Covalent wrote:
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Wonder if Grosjean is having second thoughts about leaving for Haas?


Didn't he admit in interviews, right after he signed for Haas, that if he'd had the certainty of Renault taking over Lotus, he would have stayed? I'm pretty sure he did.

Ah, must've missed that.


Here it is: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/34420287

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"I was the first one who wanted to be part of the Renault project," the Frenchman told BBC World Service Sport.

"If they had come earlier I would have stayed, but I met with Haas, they made an approach and it was attractive."

Cheers, feel kind of bad for Grosjean especially if Renault prove to be relatively competitive. OTOH perhaps it was a good move.


I think Haas might be in the midfield next year and possibly ahead of Renault.
Also Grosjean is hoping it is a back door into Ferrari when Kimi leaves.

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Amon wrote:
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The question is now with which engines will they run, Renault or Mercedes?

Obviously Renault

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It seems this is now finally officially official.

An event in February (presumably before testing at Catalunya?) will announce the team name and structure etc.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... completed/

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Not sure why the name has to be announced, is there a chance this team might not be called Renault? I thought the idea was to give the Renault brand more exposure, so that would be a very confusing move.


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Not sure why the name has to be announced, is there a chance this team might not be called Renault? I thought the idea was to give the Renault brand more exposure, so that would be a very confusing move.


It is a little odd. I assume that it's just going to be an official unveiling to get some extra media exposure and ensure that everyone is aware, not all fans hang out on the internet in their spare time hoovering up all the little scraps of information. We are by far the minority there

Although it is Renault, and they do have a track record of ridiculous decisions on naming and sponsoring. I mean last time round they spent years building a relationship with Red Bull and then once they were basically synonymous with RBR arranged for the Infiniti naming rights deal... And then spent the next few years complaining that they weren't getting enough exposure. They sold their exposure, what did they honestly expect?

So it's not beyond the realms of fiction that they'll surprise us all yet.

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Not sure why the name has to be announced, is there a chance this team might not be called Renault? I thought the idea was to give the Renault brand more exposure, so that would be a very confusing move.


It is odd.

To be honest, I don't really care what the team is called. I just want a yellow car.

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Not sure why the name has to be announced, is there a chance this team might not be called Renault? I thought the idea was to give the Renault brand more exposure, so that would be a very confusing move.


It is odd.

To be honest, I don't really care what the team is called. I just want a yellow car.

Well, Mercedes is officially called Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team, for example, not simply Mercedes, while Ferraris is called Scuderia Ferrari. The name announcement could just be formalising the official wording, not necessarily calling it anything unusual.


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Not sure why the name has to be announced, is there a chance this team might not be called Renault? I thought the idea was to give the Renault brand more exposure, so that would be a very confusing move.


It is odd.

To be honest, I don't really care what the team is called. I just want a yellow car.

Well, Mercedes is officially called Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team, for example, not simply Mercedes, while Ferraris is called Scuderia Ferrari. The name announcement could just be formalising the official wording, not necessarily calling it anything unusual.

Yeps. And last time Renault was in F1, it was Renault F1 Team, not Renault.

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Is it that odd really though?

The team is called Lotus now, it's going to change name. Takes some of the point away from the big re-launch event if they start drip-feeding things out beforehand. Obviously the word Renault will be in the name somehow, but it's fair enough that the exact team name (which may or may not also include a title sponsor) is unveiled at the launch event.


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I see rebuilding as joining a team that needs rebuilding which certainly McLaren didn't need doing when Button joined, in fact McLaren declined under Button's watch although I'm not implying that was his fault, but then again your wording seems to be that Button himself is having to rebuild the teams into competitive outfits, is your wording wrong?

I'm defining it more broadly as just being part of a team that's in the process of rebuilding - in essence, years of career lost to being in a team that can't field a competitive car at the moment but ought to. I certainly don't mean to imply that Button is doing the rebuilding himself, as I don't personally believe in the ability of drivers to influence the competitiveness of a team to that extent.

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I am quite confused here.

Keep rooting for Fernando and hope he rejoins Renault? ;)

When Button went to Honda they were peaking, not rebuilding or in disarray. In 2008 Honda put in the time, money and work to produce a car to the new regs and the car was so good that even with the last minute scramble to shoehorn the Mercedes engine into it, that car was comfortably the class of the field. And if you go back and watch the '09 season it's clear as day that Button lost his stranglehold on the championship lead when others closed the gap some. The car didn't get worse but Button did not improve. Rubens on the other hand finally got his brakes changed to what he wanted all along halfway through the season, and did in fact improve his performance.

At Renault Button was nothing special. Solid but nothing out of this world which is why he was dealt to Honda.

When Button joined McLaren they were doing quite well so no rebuilding there. As stated the team have declined in performance since he's been on board and outside of 2011 when Hamilton was not in the game so to speak, Lewis was doing things with the same car that Button could not. Always complaining about the tires this that and the other while Lewis was taking the fight to the guys up front.

Now McLaren is struggling mightily and Button and Alonso are mere passengers along for the ride, and until they work out some of the kinks, we won't know for sure who is clearly better and by how much. Both are quite capable but I don't think anyone would be surprised to see Alonso begin to edge Button out before hitting his stride and riding off into the sunset considerably ahead of his teammate.

As for Renault being back, it is excellent to finally have confirmation that they are indeed IN. While I LOVE Black and Yellow their last black & yellow livery was gherkin poor. Perhaps in the 80's the plain look gelled well with the car, but this is 2016 and they need to up their game and create a gorgeous livery along the lines of their 2001-2006 cars. Those all had personality. Nothing prettier than power blue.

Wonder who their 2nd driver will be.

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