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Ferrari say Charles Leclerc will have a new engine in Brazil this weekend, following his failure in practice in Austin - and that means a grid penalty. Exact number of places not confirmed yet


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True from the post above. Leclerc will be getting a fresh engine (maybe a spec-3 even I read elsewhere) which Ferrari might use in 2020.
https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/252227/leclerc-set-for-brazilian-gp-grid-penalty

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Last year's Grand Prix will be probably known just for this incident:


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Rain is expected to fall until Saturday. Sunday is poised to be dry. This pic is from 1 hour back

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Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.

IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.

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Mort Canard wrote:
Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.

IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.

I was thinking the same, it would be great to have a dry quali. The best should still rise to the top, but a few weird positions would be lovely on a track that has shown some good overtaking.


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Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.

IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.

I was thinking the same, it would be great to have a dry quali. The best should still rise to the top, but a few weird positions would be lovely on a track that has shown some good overtaking.

Or, perhaps, wet? :]

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Mort Canard wrote:
Rain during qualifying would be lovely!! Would love to see which drivers rise to the occasion.

IIRC Max, Seb and even Lewis have all had mediocre rain races in the last year or so.

I was thinking the same, it would be great to have a dry quali. The best should still rise to the top, but a few weird positions would be lovely on a track that has shown some good overtaking.

Or, perhaps, wet? :]

Oh yeah, that one!!! Thank you


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A wet FP1 is in store with some mini rivers flowing through the track!

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not once but twice. He won’t get a penalty as it’s practice but he was just on the racing one going very slowly. Not clever.


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I'm not sure Bottas will escape a penalty if it was that bad. If it was clearly dangerous, i think it will likely be a reprimand. Verstappen got one in Canada one year in practice if I am correct. I haven't yet seen this myself, but Bottas was apparently suddenly told that Hamilton was two seconds behind him. I'm not sure that Bottas could have had much time to process this, but he should have seen him in the mirrors and moved off line rather than keep going slowly on it.


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I'm not sure Bottas will escape a penalty if it was that bad. If it was clearly dangerous, i think it will likely be a reprimand. Verstappen got one in Canada one year in practice if I am correct. I haven't yet seen this myself, but Bottas was apparently suddenly told that Hamilton was two seconds behind him. I'm not sure that Bottas could have had much time to process this, but he should have seen him in the mirrors and moved off line rather than keep going slowly on it.


If he’s going slowly then he should be off line regardless shouldn’t he? If it happened in quality I imagine it would be a slam dunk penalty.

I don’t think it was particularly dangerous, just a bit stupid.


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Just looking at some drivers total career points and other stats on the official F1 site and some are interesting. Verstappen and Ricciardo both have the same number of podiums and wins. 29 and 7. And as it happens, Bottas also has 7 wins. Just a coincidence how similar some of the drivers stats are. Especially Verstappen and ricciardo. Next year, Verstappen will end up overtaking Ricciardo in total points too. At the moment he is just over 100 behind.


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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.


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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?


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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?

Its a theory.


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True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?

I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.

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True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?

I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.

At this point it's just practice, clearly Ferrari found speed after the summer break in respect to corner speed, this is what enabled them to start dominating qualifying, they basically found more down force but still maintained their straight line speed advantage.

In Brazil thus far I would say we are seeing performance more akin to the first half of the season, all the straight line speed advantage being lost in the corners.

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True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?

I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.

Interesting point.

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JN23 wrote:
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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?


:thumbup: :nod: Seems a very plausible explanation. Can't say it's true but could be.

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Times have dropped a full second from FP2 and it looks like it's going to be a good qualifying session.

Lewis currently about .3 seconds up on the two Ferraris and .2 seconds up on Max.

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JN23 wrote:
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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?


So let me get this straight... If Ferrari is slower, it is because they were cheating. If Ferrari is faster it is because they are trying to cover up the suggestion that they were cheating. It would appear that Ferrari is in a can't win situation with some.
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JN23 wrote:
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Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?


Or if the other teams have added wing to their cars to keep it in the spotlight! 8O

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True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?

I think that was always the case, to be honest. I remember Autosport did an analysis in Russia where they found that Ferrari had basically held consistent with their 2018 speeds in the speed traps -- it was Mercedes that had actively gotten slower between 2018 and 2019. I think there's a certain level to which Mercedes is pulling a McLaren: their car is draggier than Ferrari, and they're blaming it all on the engine difference.

Circling back to this, Ferrari add down force after the summer break but still keep their straight line advantage, Mercedes add down force but lose performance on the straight, what happened to Mercedes tends to be the norm.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
JN23 wrote:
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JN23 wrote:
Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?


Of if the other teams have added wing to their cars to keep it in the spotlight! 8O

Bottom line to all this is lap times in particular in qualifying, since the summer break Ferrari have been about 3 tenths quicker in qualifying, last time in Austin that was not the case, let's see what happens in Brazil.

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Blake wrote:
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Clarky wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Based on FP2 it seems Ferrari’s straight line speed advantage is back to where it was previously. Christian Horner said Red Bull we’re losing 0.7seconds on the straights. I’ve just read a tweet that says that Merc we’re losing 0.8-0.9 seconds.

Qualifying and the race will obviously tell us more when they’re running engines in their higher modes/race modes rather than practice.

Yet Ferrari are only a 1/10 ahead.

They are losing shed loads through the corners which there are not that many.

Could very well be downforce levels.


True. I wonder if they have taken downforce off the car to improve straight line speed in order to try make this story go away?


So let me get this straight... If Ferrari is slower, it is because they were cheating. If Ferrari is faster it is because they are trying to cover up the suggestion that they were cheating. It would appear that Ferrari is in a can't win situation with some.
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What I said is a possibility, I don’t necessarily believe it though. I have no idea if they’ve been cheating. You like to get your knickers in a twist when ever someone dares to say something even slightly negative about Ferrari don’t you?


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Bad luck for Carlos Sainz. Never posted a time in Q1 and out of the rest of quali.

Where has the Haas team found it's speed from this weekend? Lately they have had trouble getting out of Q3.

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Where are the 'FP1 done:', 'FP2 done:' and 'FP3 done:' posts?


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looks like max will have pole in the bag


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Max on provisional pole despite an error costing him probably several tenths during the lap. The car is very very quick.


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Verstappen still on provisional pole after making another mistake. He should destroy the field on his second flyer. I reckon by at least 3 tenths


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Is there a reason why this track suits Red Bull? They were rapid here in the race last year. Is there altitude like Austria and Mexico?


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One can make the argument that Red Bull have had the best qualifying package for the last three races. And a very strong argument for two out of the last three races.


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That was fun to watch with the times being so close between the top 6. I think Max could have done a better time. He lost a couple of tenths on his first run with that little bobble in sector 2 and he was kind of balked a bit in his outlap by Kimi on his final run. Impressive to see where Red Bull are here.

We'll see if Vettel can be competitive in the race. I think Max might pull away if he is able to get a clean start. The Ferraris are a bit of an enigma. You simply don't know what to expect from them.

Hamilton will be in a decent starting position but with Mercedes poor straight line performance I think track position will be a major hurdle here.

The race should be exciting. Sometimes these races where the title has already been decided are the most fun because the drivers just go for the win without worrying about much else.


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