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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:59 pm 
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SDLRob wrote:
Just binged Defenders... very good watch. Paced very much like the rest of the shows, but it works in the 8 episodes...


Do I need to have watched Iron Fist and Luke Cage to enjoy it do you think? I watched all but one of the Luke Cage episodes and never got started with Iron Fist (loved DD and JJ).


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mac_d wrote:
SDLRob wrote:
Just binged Defenders... very good watch. Paced very much like the rest of the shows, but it works in the 8 episodes...


Do I need to have watched Iron Fist and Luke Cage to enjoy it do you think? I watched all but one of the Luke Cage episodes and never got started with Iron Fist (loved DD and JJ).


Not really. I've seen 1 and a half seasons of Daredevil, about half of Luke Cage, all of Jessica Jones and two thirds of an episode of Iron Fist, but it makes sense(ish) to me. There's a bit of stuff that doesn't make sense, but nothing that takes away from the plot. It seems fairly self contained, and also there's a fair bit of exposition for the people who haven't watched any of the shows.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:30 pm 
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Basically have just sat on my fat pickle today watching Defenders. Pretty good. Not as good as Daredevil 1/2 or JJ. Not hard to follow the motivations and back stories for Luke Cage/Iron Fist so that was good. They do a good job of having a good evil villain plan without it being so big that you'd have to wonder why the Avengers, who exist in the universe, don't get called in which was good. If the villain plan was so over the top superhero style, that would have been an issue. Also tied in a few things from the other shows quite nicely.

One gripe I have:
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I am sure one of the trailers showed the Punisher. They did it in a way that made it seem to me that the Punisher would make an appearance. Given the trailer tye thing at the end, I guess it was just to show he'd have a show but it feels a little misleading. Perhaps I misunderstood the trailer. Honestly though, I spent the entire last episode expecting him to appear and was a quite let down at the end.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:44 am 
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Is anyone else finding the pace in new GOT a bit too quick? It feels like they could do with some side storylines to break the show up a little more IMO, it's just jumping from Kings Landing to Winterfell to the Jon/Dany storylines.

I think they made a mistake going for 7 episodes, I'm all for quality over quantity but I feel that they could have padded this out to the usual 10 episodes with some filler which while not adding much to the story overall, could add some depth to the characters in their new situations. We didn't really need to see some of the torture stuff with Joffrey or Ramsay, the story would have made sense without it, but it added to the show because it made us dislike them that much more.

I'm being fussy but overall im still enjoying the show and staying up until ridiculous times to watch it when it plays for the first time, so it's obviously doing something right!

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Also that whole mission beyond the wall is so ridiculous. (Even ignoring the fact that getting a white walker and showing it to Cersei doesn't make much sense to begin with).

Why after one of the gang dies after the bear attack did they not just tie him up and wait for him to turn? Why keep on going? I know there are a load of other plot holes but that one bugged me the most as it seemed the most obvious.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:11 am 
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I thought that this season has been paced quickly too compared the last couple. I was wondering why they didn't make 2 10 episode seasons rather than a split 16 episode season. But watching season 1 again, that was paced really fast too.

I think it may just be because we are used to the pace for the past couple of seasons being fairly slow that it seems fast.
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Although the journey from Winterfell to Dragon Stone (or even Kings Landing to Dragon Stone) is a fairly long way and they have kept doing it in the space of a few scenes in 1episode. Which does make you wonder what story lines have been missed out in that time.

With the whole catching a white walker thing, do they turn the same as modern zombies do? I thought there was some magic about it, not just being killed by a white walker.


Edit: Just on a side note to anyone who has read the books and not just watched the TV show like me. Does Ricon Stark actually have a purpose in the books as a character? He's not really needed at all in the TV show, him or shaggy dog.

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minchy wrote:

Edit: Just on a side note to anyone who has read the books and not just watched the TV show like me. Does Ricon Stark actually have a purpose in the books as a character? He's not really needed at all in the TV show, him or shaggy dog.


Not really so far. But then in the books there is
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another living Targaryen heir
that is completely cut out of the show, so it's clear the show is winging it with regards to the plot.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:03 pm 
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huggybear wrote:
minchy wrote:

Edit: Just on a side note to anyone who has read the books and not just watched the TV show like me. Does Ricon Stark actually have a purpose in the books as a character? He's not really needed at all in the TV show, him or shaggy dog.


Not really so far. But then in the books there is
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another living Targaryen heir
that is completely cut out of the show, so it's clear the show is winging it with regards to the plot.

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It's strongly believed that this is Tyrion though right? They could still include that in the show and in fact they have hinted at it with the scene of him setting the dragons free.

I must admit I am starting to think they've abandoned it though. I was convinced it was coming soon following the Jon & dragon interaction in episode 5, as that adds to the above mentioned Tryion scene in confirming that the dragons can sense Targaryen blood, but now that one of the dragons has been lost I'm sceptical. I figured it would be one dragon for each of the Targaryen's, like it was with a dire wolf for each of the Starks.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
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It's strongly believed that this is Tyrion though right? They could still include that in the show and in fact they have hinted at it with the scene of him setting the dragons free.

I must admit I am starting to think they've abandoned it though. I was convinced it was coming soon following the Jon & dragon interaction in episode 5, as that adds to the above mentioned Tryion scene in confirming that the dragons can sense Targaryen blood, but now that one of the dragons has been lost I'm sceptical. I figured it would be one dragon for each of the Targaryen's, like it was with a dire wolf for each of the Starks.


Nah, it was
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Aegon Targaryen, Daenerys' older brother, who wasn't killed by Gregor Clegane, but switched with a low born baby by Varys beforehand, but he meets Tyrion before Tyrion meets Dany in Essos, which has only been alluded to once (They briefly mention the Golden Company in one of the episodes this season, who are the sellswords making up Aegon's army)
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huggybear wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
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It's strongly believed that this is Tyrion though right? They could still include that in the show and in fact they have hinted at it with the scene of him setting the dragons free.

I must admit I am starting to think they've abandoned it though. I was convinced it was coming soon following the Jon & dragon interaction in episode 5, as that adds to the above mentioned Tryion scene in confirming that the dragons can sense Targaryen blood, but now that one of the dragons has been lost I'm sceptical. I figured it would be one dragon for each of the Targaryen's, like it was with a dire wolf for each of the Starks.


Nah, it was
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Aegon Targaryen, Daenerys' older brother, who wasn't killed by Gregor Clegane, but switched with a low born baby by Varys beforehand, but he meets Tyrion before Tyrion meets Dany in Essos, which has only been alluded to once (They briefly mention the Golden Company in one of the episodes this season, who are the sellswords making up Aegon's army)
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Ah ok, I need to catch up on my books, I did intend to read them but stopped somewhere in the 3rd/4th book IIRC. I've only seen the theory that Tyrion is a Targaryen.


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 Post subject: Re: The TV Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:28 am 
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What, no discussion about the last GoT?

What do you people think?

It was brilliant. Exactly what I thought it should have ended this season. Making it so much more worth it to wait for the next one.

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We were betting if the blue dragon would be shooting flames or ice. It seems that it was blue flames, so everyone was happy I guess!
Also, is Jon Snow now sh@gging his aunt?


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 Post subject: Re: The TV Thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:09 pm 
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Lots of build up, very little real pay off.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:30 pm 
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mac_d wrote:
Lots of build up, very little real pay off.

I felt the payoff was OK but really it was just set up for the next season, to be fair I think the last episode normally is, the penultimate one tends to be the episode the season has been building up to.

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Sure there was no big death (littlefinger is a big name but he has no real bearing on the main story at the moment), and the discovery that Jon is the rightful king was dropped an episode or two ago for those that picked up on it so that wasn't really a reveal. I think the destruction of the wall was a good place to end the season though.

I thought how they did the sex scene was an interesting choice too, was pretty funny having Bran's conversation talking about him being Targaryen over the top. "He's never been a b@$tard, he's the heir to the Iron Throne"... and balls deep in his auntie right now on screen.

Good to see GOT get back to its incestuous roots though, the Lannister one was getting boring :-P


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 Post subject: Re: The TV Thread
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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
mac_d wrote:
Lots of build up, very little real pay off.

I felt the payoff was OK but really it was just set up for the next season, to be fair I think the last episode normally is, the penultimate one tends to be the episode the season has been building up to.

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Sure there was no big death (littlefinger is a big name but he has no real bearing on the main story at the moment), and the discovery that Jon is the rightful king was dropped an episode or two ago for those that picked up on it so that wasn't really a reveal. I think the destruction of the wall was a good place to end the season though.

I thought how they did the sex scene was an interesting choice too, was pretty funny having Bran's conversation talking about him being Targaryen over the top. "He's never been a b@$tard, he's the heir to the Iron Throne"... and balls deep in his auntie right now on screen.

Good to see GOT get back to its incestuous roots though, the Lannister one was getting boring :-P


I get the feeling of no payoff.

I think the series has struggled a bit since they ran out of book material, although as I'm sure many people have mentioned - poor Game of Thrones is still far superior to anything else.

I think the poor pacing began in Season 6, where we had some truly bizarre ways of just throwing scenes at you. The Arya stabbing for one - just got stabbed, then on with the show. It all felt rushed.

I'm not one to jump on the fast travel bandwagon. I get the need for that, and I'm not going to split hairs around people suddenly showing up far away when we clearly have no idea how much time has passed anyway. But the big moments are lacking a little punch.

You used to have this fantastically paced show, all this build up, all this tension, all this emotional investment... and then it would stab you right in the gut. Now, there are some pretty significant and crazy things happening, but without the well-paced build up its all feeling a little bit more 'meh' than it should. My mind should have been more blown by what happened this season that it actually was.

Also someone above mentioned that they should have extended the 7 episodes to 10. I agree in theory, it could do with some more pacing - but I guess they've been left with no book material to write from, an increasingly expensive cast, contracts that they have to work within, and with more focus on the 'mythical' they've also got a much more expensive CGI bill to foot. HBO will only throw so much money at it, and the producers need to find a way to make that work as best they can. But as a viewer, f*ck the producers, find more money and give me my improved pacing!!


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 Post subject: Re: The TV Thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:43 am 
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It's only the mid season finale, so you would expect it to be a set up episode rather than a climax anyway.

I was a little disappointed with it until the final scene scene with the Lanister's which did give a good indication of both characterisation and intent of the people involved. I'm guessing they're going to continue the Jon Snow origins reveal in the second half of the season some how.

With the lack of book material to work from, does anyone know how much input Martin has had with the story? I know with the Harry Potter films, Rowling had a lot of input and helped the screen writers include little bits to tie in with future story lines of books which weren't even written yet.

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Liar ITV1 - Great new short series to watch, six episodes but really gripping. One of them that leaves you guessing


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