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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:00 am 
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Just finished the Sprint championship where I was the WDC. However, there seem to be some discrepancies there.

All the cars, even a McLaren Honda seem faster inspite of choosing the fastest setup. Even when I've got DRS, am unable to pass on pure speed. My late braking enables me to overtake.

Now I'm competing in the Spec series championship & am driving the '10 Red Bull car. All other Red Bull cars have more speed than the one I'm driving.

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Just finished the Sprint championship where I was the WDC. However, there seem to be some discrepancies there.

All the cars, even a McLaren Honda seem faster inspite of choosing the fastest setup. Even when I've got DRS, am unable to pass on pure speed. My late braking enables me to overtake.

Now I'm competing in the Spec series championship & am driving the '10 Red Bull car. All other Red Bull cars have more speed than the one I'm driving.


With the online sprint races the cars are all equal in performance. Could this be the same in the "offline" championship mode?

I've taken a break from the career mode as it can be quite time consuming and just started a classic championship with the FW14b.

You race on the more established circuits on the calendar (Melbourne, Interlagos, Monza, Spa etc) and you race against cars of a similar era. e.g. I'm racing the classic cars between '88 and '99.

You can tweak the race settings to suit your preferences (I'm doing one shot quali with a 5 lap race).

Even though I'm not actually winning any races (the MP4-13 is too fast for me) it's great fun.


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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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Today, for the 1st time drove around Mexico in the TT. Love the track.

Tried most of the historic cars. The 2004 Ferrari F2004 seems to be the fastest when using the default fastest setup. 2006 Renault R26
2007 Ferrari F2007, 2008 McLaren MP4-23 & 2010 Red Bull RB6 cars couldn't match with the Ferrari's time with the lowest downforce setup.

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Today, for the 1st time drove around Mexico in the TT. Love the track.

Tried most of the historic cars. The 2004 Ferrari F2004 seems to be the fastest when using the default fastest setup. 2006 Renault R26
2007 Ferrari F2007, 2008 McLaren MP4-23 & 2010 Red Bull RB6 cars couldn't match with the Ferrari's time with the lowest downforce setup.

The F2004 is easily the fastest classic car, you see it top the leaderboards pretty much everywhere and it's not hard to see why when you drive it. I think the Red Bull is fastest around Monaco though.

That's the way it should be of course as the 2004 cars were the fastest before this year.


Finally did my first career mode race, pretty good, I think I have the difficulty just about right as I was only able to compete with my teammate and the McLarens (I'm in Sauber). Also I didn't notice any massive advantage in qualifying that the AI had, I felt qualifying to race performance was pretty much in line, but it's early days yet.

I'm also pretty certain I'm not going to be able to get through the season without a grid penalty after seeing the wear!


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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:57 pm 
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One big positive from this years game for me is that is confirms Codemasters have the capability to do F2/GP3 cars given the variety of handling/speeds they've achieved in this game.

Combine that with the new owners being much more relaxed about such things and I really think a game with feeder series is on the horizon.


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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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havent seen any mention of it on pf1 so here goes. I stumbled on to this,

There's an esports league for the f1 2017 game. You register and quailfy by doing in game events. If any one is interested here is the link https://f1esports.com/

Idk if it was a last min idea but if this was advertised along side with the game on tv during races it would have gotten more people to buy the game.

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I've only played online multiplayer. Pretty fun if you can survive turn 1 and find a good group to race against. There are some really good players out there..


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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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Mayhem wrote:
havent seen any mention of it on pf1 so here goes. I stumbled on to this,

There's an esports league for the f1 2017 game. You register and quailfy by doing in game events. If any one is interested here is the link https://f1esports.com/

Idk if it was a last min idea but if this was advertised along side with the game on tv during races it would have gotten more people to buy the game.


Was very eager but considering I'm just above average with a controller, I've got no chance.

Spending a lot of time on TT's (currently enjoying lapping around Singapore in the F2004) & Championships.

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:26 am 
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Finally fired the game up and gave it its first 45 minutes! :D

Initial impressions:

- The steering feel is much better for me; not vague or floaty at all, and you can really feel what the car is doing
- Force Feedback is much stronger than 2016; I felt like I'd been to the gym after a half hour on my 2016 settings!
- The cars are very nice to drive; the grip is amazing, and the thing that I noticed immediately was that braking distances are shorter (I did Barcelona, and I've always braked right at the 100m board; that's too early now)
- No comment on graphics, because my racing rig uses an old TV and doesn't run on full settings anyway
- I haven't played around the the telemetry-over-IP function; does anyone know how that works?

My first half hour also showed that I'm pretty darned rusty, so more practice is definitely in order!

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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By the way for those interested the racing in the e-sports league has been top class, there are 3 leagues going on (Xbox, PS, PC) and you can watch them all here once they've happened live, the leagues are also only 3 races each so you don't have to commit to watching a full 20 race season:

https://www.youtube.com/user/kokiko22


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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Mayhem wrote:
havent seen any mention of it on pf1 so here goes. I stumbled on to this,

There's an esports league for the f1 2017 game. You register and quailfy by doing in game events. If any one is interested here is the link https://f1esports.com/

Idk if it was a last min idea but if this was advertised along side with the game on tv during races it would have gotten more people to buy the game.


Those lap times are impressive. In the tracks I've mastered I can hang with the top guys but without assists, the controller R2 button doesn't give me the tactile feedback to throttle the acceleration like a foot pedal can. You can't even get the perfect start so it's a bit of a joke. Otherwise the controller is just as good. Unfortunately throttling the acceleration costs 2+ seconds a lap compared to a proper pedal :?


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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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I've been trying to play it on a wheel with all settings off and holy crap is it difficult. The highest AI level at which I managed to complete the recent esports qualifier was 50, and even that took me multiple attempts. I'm always too eager on the throttle or too optimistic with my braking and, one way or the other, end up facing backwards. On one hand I'm really determined to get better at playing it this way, but on the other hand I'm not sure I have the spare time to actually do so, and might be better reverting back to using a pad...

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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Bentrovato wrote:
Mayhem wrote:
havent seen any mention of it on pf1 so here goes. I stumbled on to this,

There's an esports league for the f1 2017 game. You register and quailfy by doing in game events. If any one is interested here is the link https://f1esports.com/

Idk if it was a last min idea but if this was advertised along side with the game on tv during races it would have gotten more people to buy the game.


Those lap times are impressive. In the tracks I've mastered I can hang with the top guys but without assists, the controller R2 button doesn't give me the tactile feedback to throttle the acceleration like a foot pedal can. You can't even get the perfect start so it's a bit of a joke. Otherwise the controller is just as good. Unfortunately throttling the acceleration costs 2+ seconds a lap compared to a proper pedal :?



Try switching your throttle to the right analog stick. Stick up Throttle and down for the brakes. Thats my set up for racing gives much better feel using controller

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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Mayhem wrote:
Bentrovato wrote:
Mayhem wrote:
havent seen any mention of it on pf1 so here goes. I stumbled on to this,

There's an esports league for the f1 2017 game. You register and quailfy by doing in game events. If any one is interested here is the link https://f1esports.com/

Idk if it was a last min idea but if this was advertised along side with the game on tv during races it would have gotten more people to buy the game.


Those lap times are impressive. In the tracks I've mastered I can hang with the top guys but without assists, the controller R2 button doesn't give me the tactile feedback to throttle the acceleration like a foot pedal can. You can't even get the perfect start so it's a bit of a joke. Otherwise the controller is just as good. Unfortunately throttling the acceleration costs 2+ seconds a lap compared to a proper pedal :?



Try switching your throttle to the right analog stick. Stick up Throttle and down for the brakes. Thats my set up for racing gives much better feel using controller


I never even thought of that goddammit, I'm struggling to bridge that last couple of seconds as well and I was convinced it's because I can't feed the throttle properly with my finger and trigger button like Bentrovato says. :x

Cheers for the tip. Could I change the trigger buttons to be the gear change then?. I use auto on the controller because I can't stand using the buttons but If I'm using the right analog stick for both braking and throttle then I think using the triggers as gear up and down wouldn't bother me in the least.

I'm on 2016 though and use assists like a ho, do ok, get a time usually around the 2500-3500 mark on the leaderboard on time trial but in Monza I got 1100 with a 1.21.9 I think and Monaco which I hate about 1600, no idea how but I think it was about 1.13.9. Don't think I broke 1.15 on any other lap, I've got no consistency around there at all, nightmare.

(The leaderboard says 10000 so I've no idea if it's in groups and there's another 10000 above or that's the top 10000. I'm an idiot that can't be bothered to check. :blush: )

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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Mayhem wrote:


Try switching your throttle to the right analog stick. Stick up Throttle and down for the brakes. Thats my set up for racing gives much better feel using controller


Great idea!! Gonna give it a try


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Bentrovato wrote:
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Try switching your throttle to the right analog stick. Stick up Throttle and down for the brakes. Thats my set up for racing gives much better feel using controller

Great idea!! Gonna give it a try

Here's a video of one of the quickest pad racers on AOR demonstrating how to use that technique:



It gives me a headache just thinking about it, but he can beat most of the wheel racers, so there's something in it for sure!

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Try switching your throttle to the right analog stick. Stick up Throttle and down for the brakes. Thats my set up for racing gives much better feel using controller

Great idea!! Gonna give it a try

Here's a video of one of the quickest pad racers on AOR demonstrating how to use that technique:



It gives me a headache just thinking about it, but he can beat most of the wheel racers, so there's something in it for sure!


Nice vid.

The main issue with me when using the controller is that I need to keep adjusting the left trigger (for turning) while making a turn in the corner. A steering wheel user will always have a smooth entry but for a controller user, minor adjustments / shakes will always be required to make the turn as smooth as possible.

This is the area I believe I always lose a lot of time when compared to a wheel user.

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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UnlikeUday wrote:
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Try switching your throttle to the right analog stick. Stick up Throttle and down for the brakes. Thats my set up for racing gives much better feel using controller

Great idea!! Gonna give it a try

Here's a video of one of the quickest pad racers on AOR demonstrating how to use that technique:



It gives me a headache just thinking about it, but he can beat most of the wheel racers, so there's something in it for sure!


Nice vid.

The main issue with me when using the controller is that I need to keep adjusting the left trigger (for turning) while making a turn in the corner. A steering wheel user will always have a smooth entry but for a controller user, minor adjustments / shakes will always be required to make the turn as smooth as possible.

This is the area I believe I always lose a lot of time when compared to a wheel user.



@ Bentrovato, Ive been using Analog throttle for years and to me a makes a huge difference. You can apply throttle as needed throughout the corners. The triggers just simply give you on/off while the analog stick you can apply partial throttle as needed. I use the triggers for shifting.

@ Exediron, nice vid. The button config he uses is very similar to mine and as u see in the video you need alot of dexterity for sure. Its alot of buttons when your trying to make car adjustments mid race.

@ UnlikeUday, yes the wheel definitely has a smoother corner entry and on controller we have to make small adjustments. Making diff adjustments for certain corners helps smoothing out the turns but its a tough balance when trying to stretch out a stint on tires. Thats where steering rigs have a much better advantage where they can preserve the front tires vs controller.

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 Post subject: Re: F1 2017
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@Mayhem, I've been using a wired Xbox 360 controller and I've found the triggers better for fine throttle control than the analog sticks on my Logitech ( PS style ) controller. The only problem I have is I cannot drive manual using the Xbox controller as my fingers clash using the triggers for throttle/brake and using the bumpers for gear shifts.

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I tried it today and obviously I was horrible. I'll need t practice to give it a fair shake.

If you're using the right analog for acceleration which buttons do you use for looking around the car?


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Yeah I tried it too and in the 3rd corner I went flying straight on as I frantically pressed the LT to no avail. That only happened a further 6 or 7 times before I raged quit.

Work to do...

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Bentrovato wrote:
I tried it today and obviously I was horrible. I'll need t practice to give it a fair shake.

If you're using the right analog for acceleration which buttons do you use for looking around the car?

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Yeah I tried it too and in the 3rd corner I went flying straight on as I frantically pressed the LT to no avail. That only happened a further 6 or 7 times before I raged quit.

Work to do...




I dont race in the fp camera view since you dont have peripheral vision, (hopefully when they integrate vr with more games they will give us better field of vision.) So I use the tv pod camera angle and use the mirrors which actually work pretty good when you adjust the angle of the mirrors in the options settings.

I would recommend using the racing line aid corners only until you get a feel for it so you dont RQ.

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I never even thought of that goddammit, I'm struggling to bridge that last couple of seconds as well and I was convinced it's because I can't feed the throttle properly with my finger and trigger button like Bentrovato says. :x

Cheers for the tip. Could I change the trigger buttons to be the gear change then?. I use auto on the controller because I can't stand using the buttons but If I'm using the right analog stick for both braking and throttle then I think using the triggers as gear up and down wouldn't bother me in the least.

I'm on 2016 though and use assists like a ho, do ok, get a time usually around the 2500-3500 mark on the leaderboard on time trial but in Monza I got 1100 with a 1.21.9 I think and Monaco which I hate about 1600, no idea how but I think it was about 1.13.9. Don't think I broke 1.15 on any other lap, I've got no consistency around there at all, nightmare.

(The leaderboard says 10000 so I've no idea if it's in groups and there's another 10000 above or that's the top 10000. I'm an idiot that can't be bothered to check. :blush: )


Hey lotus, i missed this post some how.... Yes you can make the controls whatever buttons you wish by selecting "custom" on the controller scheme option. I use the triggers for shifting and use the "manual & suggested gear" setting ( its manual input but shows u a recommended gear for every corner. Doesnt shift for you just suggest what gear to use. Appears in red on the screen next to the gear your currently in.)

***** tip**** if you go into advanced wheel settings you can see your throttle/ braking/ steering inputs on the controller. (Eg; If you feel you want more throttle with less stick input increase the throttle saturation)

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More good tips, cheers.

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@Mayhem, I've been using a wired Xbox 360 controller and I've found the triggers better for fine throttle control than the analog sticks on my Logitech ( PS style ) controller. The only problem I have is I cannot drive manual using the Xbox controller as my fingers clash using the triggers for throttle/brake and using the bumpers for gear shifts.



Hey jason, every controller has different calibrations (ps vs xbox vs pc), imo the analog throttle gives me better throttle control especially in wet races where you have to constantly feather it. I know exactly what you mean with your fingers clashing. ( When i used the triggers for throttle i made the right analog stick my shifter and for me that solved the issue your having.) Also if your having trouble finding the proper feel with the throttle play around in the advanced wheel options. It has controller inputs and you can see exactly how much pressure your inputing on the dpad. You can also delay the inputs if your cooking the tires. Hope this helps.

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More good tips, cheers.


Np, lmk how it goes.

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Also if your having trouble finding the proper feel with the throttle play around in the advanced wheel options. It has controller inputs and you can see exactly how much pressure your inputing on the dpad. You can also delay the inputs if your cooking the tires. Hope this helps.


Thats a good point, I tend to ' max ' throttle on a stick, if I make the input more linear it may work pretty good, I'll have to try it! Cheers!

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