Shia Luck wrote:
It seems my use of the word accuse has caused some ripples. Please allow me to rephrase.
"If you read it, and indeed any of my posts, I do not ever claim that my being female means i am automatically correct and I would appreciate not having my views misrepresented as such in a strawman argument. "
No-one is putting forth a strawman argument. I've already relayed that I feel your original post, in which you appeared to take issue with the fact that no-one consulted you, suggested that you felt that your personal experience should have carried more weight with others. Since this is directly relevant, it can't be a strawman.
Shia Luck wrote:
@Zoue, as I said, I have never claimed that being a woman makes a difference but my being a model certainly does make me more informed than the average F1 poster, on this subject alone. How many posts before this thread established that the agency is hired and the models are employed by the agency? How many before people accepted that the models do more than hold number placards and clap? How many to show how it is to be treated as a model, in motorsport or otherwise, whether it is sexual exploitation or not? The last we obviously never got to, no?
I don't agree that being a model makes you more informed, not in any particularly relevant way. The main objections to the grid girls are largely centred around them being seen as eye candy for guys and whether that's appropriate for F1 today. It's very much a hot topic (not just in F1) around the world at the moment and F1 is riding that wave. In that context, the perspective of the models themselves are largely irrelevant.
Shia Luck wrote:
As for the eye candy argument, perhaps my being a model makes no difference in my favour. In fact, clearly I didn't mind being treated as an object at times (mobile mannequin I used to call it, lol) because I got paid a lot. Perhaps my experience gives me a bias? Or perhaps being an employee in any industry involves being treated as an object or a tool?
see above.
Shia Luck wrote:
You still misrepresented my argument to advocate your own agenda. I repeat, I never claimed that my being female only gave my opinion more validity. I gave arguments/reasons for my opinion, I also gave reasons why I could be more informed than other posters. At no time have I tried to say that people must agree with me because I am a woman. Please stop misrepresenting me as such. I am happy to engage in discussion, that is what my post meant.
What agenda? I'm merely disagreeing with you. I'm not sure why that should entail an agenda.
Shia Luck wrote:
Don't forget, there are more arguments than the eye candy one being used by posters. Not everything I post necessarily relates to your personal eye candy issue with models. I would point out once again tho that the eye candy argument, when we are referring to women in national dress or looking like air crew, is one against women in the modelling industry as a whole, and would involve banning women from being any sort of model, any actress, appearing in commercials, being on TV, being in the public eye in any way shape or form and as such it is simply ridiculous without changing society as a whole.
There are, true, although personally I get the impression most of the others are just the supporting act to the main event. And, BTW, I never said I had a personal eye candy issue, just that the eye candy issue was the prevailing argument. I'm afraid I can't agree with your modelling analogy, but I see that's already been rebutted above.
Shia Luck wrote:
You claim this topic is emotion led but offer no reason or evidence. I counter that claim. This topic is prejudiced led because despite establishing that the models do not wear sexy clothing, but national dress or very modest uniforms, and that holding the number or clapping are a minor part of their job, there are still people arguing that their only purpose is to be eye candy, and that is prejudice ignoring the established facts.
Well, the eye candy (or sexist, if you prefer) argument tends to be rooted in emotion anyway. I'm not convinced having a pretty girl on the grid is necessarily the evil some are portraying it to be and most of the calls for them to remain are in order to maintain tradition, which itself is often based on emotion.